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Inside Melania Trump & How to Make It as an Actor


Lauren LoGiudice creates comedy through deeply flawed and painfully idiosyncratic characters. She has embodied some of the world’s most mysterious cultural icons and her work has been featured by The New York Times, the BBC and many others. In this episode we chat about how to make it as a comedian, how to market yourself online and how she wrote her new book: Inside Melania: What I Learned About Melania Trump by Impersonating Her.

Probably my favorite review is by Ritch Shydner: “…Lauren masterfully used Satire, parody and irony to process the Slovenian Ice Queen”

Listeners of this podcast can get the first 3 chapters of her audiobook free by visiting www.laurenlogi.com/empire

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If you can do something that you’re passionate about, but also have a secure nut so you’re not worried about living and your survival’s being taken care of. Then you have some gestation period between success or failure and success, you know, so I’ve truly believed you’ve got to keep hitting the ball.

All of that experience is something that I love because I learned how to communicate and connect. And it was just a beautiful experience, you know? So. Yeah, I mean, I failed, but it was, it was beautiful.


All right. I got Neil here on the establishing your empire podcast. Thanks so much for coming by the house and doing this.

Thank you for having me. I’m. I want to just say, I apologize for all the scheduling issues, trying to get this going. It’s been it’s been a time when I’ve been making some transitions and, and I appreciate your.


course, you know, the thing about a podcast, it’s always a want to have not a need to have. So I totally understand. And it actually happens. Yeah. It’s not the first time know it will be less. So luckily I get to do these at my home office, so I don’t have to like go someplace or schedule something. So it’s not, not too difficult to set up, but why don’t we start off with the seemingly easy question, but not always.

It’s just tell us a little bit about yourself.

Who are you, Neil? Yeah. So grew up in Minnesota. And my parents you know, came from India. So I have an Indian background and basically lived a pretty nice childhood. My grandparents raised me, my parents were both entrepreneurs and were very much into work.

So I had a childhood. And I got really amazing wisdom for my grandparents. My grandparents were into aryuveda and all these amazing things. And my dad was kind of more of an entertainer salesperson type vibe got into janitorial or janitorial products and stuff. But mostly he was a fun person to be around and he taught me how to dance.

And I used to dance like Michael Jackson as a business, as a child. So I had a very interesting childhood. I was like one of the only Indian kids in my, in my town. So I felt somewhat special and different, but also had a pretty normal childhood for the most part. I had some traumas for sure. Broke my hips and my legs and all sorts of things, probably due to some dancing and also just, you know, parenting in the way that they were parented, you know, which is a common theme in most people’s stories.

Which leads me to some of the work I do. But yeah, grew up in Minnesota loved tennis and table tennis and racquet sports

that actually, yeah. Yeah, for

sure. But yeah, overall just had a pretty cool life there. Certain things definitely like, you know, are my roots in Minnesota still, but overall, now, Texas man.

And how long have you been here in Austin? I’ve been here

eight years. Oh yeah. Nice. Since 2008. So I’ve been here for a little bit as well and seeing the growth and the change. Austin has been both positive and negative. I’ve enjoyed seeing the city grow and I’d rather be in a growing city than a dying city, but there’s also some.

You know, the life changes out of the city. Right. So why don’t you tell us a little bit more real quick and we can go through kind of how you got there, but tell us, like, when, when you talk about your businesses, you are now, what’s kind of the main thing that you’re doing. Cause it seems like there’s a lot


Yeah. So the main thing would be cacao that’s that’s the thing that I’m most passionate. And it was also a big part of my healing journey is using various plant medicine and then noticing how cacao this chocolate bean can, can make someone so much happier and also take them out of their, their head with.

You know, I used to drink coffee and teas and all these things that would put me very stimulated and this was really amazing. And so I asked myself, you know, this is my passion, what can I do about it? And I wanted to focus on creating more ceremonial cacao on this planet. 95% of the cacao in this world is hybridized.

And, and it’s kind of like a sacred thing that I believe can have a lot of change and help a lot of people. Needs to be preserved. So what’s the difference between

cacao and chocolate?

So chocolate is like an after thought of what the original thing is, which is cacao. And a lot of times as a Dutch process of alkalizing and making cacao into chocolate.

So it’s it’s kind of like taking sugar cane and making it into some form of sugar. But it’s not the original thing as such and most of the chocolate you find is not the original the actual genetics of chocolate. So,

and like, so people that are sitting at the cows probably extremely small compared to like what, where it should be like on those journey with cacao, like what stage or level do you think you’re at or want to get to at, or wherever you want to

take that.

Right. So, I mean, I feel like I’m at a stage where I can taste and feel and know a lot about what I’m consuming. It’s kinda like a Somia in wine. When you consume something enough and various types, you get a knowledge about it. And I feel like I have a pretty solid knowledge about it. I’d love to still learn more.

And then also I’ve been meeting connections through the cacao world. And there’s people who specialize in keeping the sacred bean and my dream and my goal. And my next investment is only focused on standardizing that process and making sure that people start labeling that, making sure the ceremonial beans are rectified, notified, and know people know that they’re consuming.

It’s a lot of times, you know, you get this fair trade and it’s, it’s nothing like that. It’s just. Something

and because it was just my lack of knowledge. Like some, when you say seminar, ceremonial, excuse me. Like what’s it actually mean? Like is that is actually actually what we do in a ceremony or is it something


It’s all of the it’s a ceremony is the actual genetics. So there’s three types of genetics beans that are well-known Trinitarios, Creole, and Fronterra. So these types of things. Are the ceremonial beans, the original beans that were found in 7,500 years ago, potentially in the rainforest potentially either Ecuador, Peru, it’s still, no one really knows, you know proof says it’s found first their equity versus his boundaries there.

But I used to work for the rainforest partnership and I learned a lot about some of the details on the history and a lot of the actual science behind it. So ceremony is conducted definitely with intention. So. It’s not like you’re making your morning cup of Joe. But you can do that with ceremony, like a cow and you you’re basically setting your intention.

You’re doing some form of energy release, so it could be breath work. It could be movement, it could be dance. It could be even journaling for that matter, but various traditions have different ways of activating the medic. And you literally are almost, you know, praying and into the cup and drinking it.

And then going through some form of catharsis, like a cathartic release, where you’re able to feel incense and emotion that hasn’t been seen and are held and you’re able to express it and fully move through it. And how

is that based upon the actual, what you’re drinking and then and how much is your for less

of it?

It’s, it’s there. I mean, you can’t drink a cow and go to sleep. You know, it’s going to do something to you and just that. And it has all these amazing bliss molecules. There’s actual chemicals in. A medicine that activates releases oxytocin. So the first time you fall in love that energy is in the body.

And if you’re aware of it, you’re going to feel it. Yeah. And you know, so for

me, that’s super interesting. Cause I think we always have emotions tied to a lot for things. Foods want them drinks, coffee, all this. And I think a lot of people have some positive and negative emotions to coffee. I wasn’t a big coffee drinker.

I was, I’m more of a, I like a lot. So like. Which is still, you know, a higher stimulant caffeine, but we did our honeymoon in Africa, on a safari and, you know, they serve your coffee and it’s like this fantastic coffee outside your door, right. When you wake up. And so I don’t, I’ve been drinking coffee more now.

Cause I think I just, you know, have this positive emotions towards it, but I still only like the cold brew because I just don’t. I think it’s too acidic. I think in my mind so I think a lot of us are looking for that stimulate and what I, what I’ve found that if I, you know, coffee, a lot of times isn’t enough.

I have to actually be out and move around because I sit in front of a computer all day. So how can somebody that just a normal, like, you know, office worker or whatever. This is something in the morning type of thing.

What do you recommend? Yeah, so coffee and cacao are kind of like, then they’re like the opposites of each other.

They both have similar ingredients. Both of them have theobromine, but the amount of theobromine in cacao is like the amount of caffeine in coffee. You, so it’s like complete opposite in that sense. There’s still coffee, caffeine. And. But it’s kind of the amount where it, instead of energetically bringing you a lot here, it brings you a lot here.

It’s, it’s literally theobromine is a hard opener. That’s what it’s made to do. So it’s definitely something anyone can consume. And I think it’s better for work for me. I feel like being in a happier place when I’m working feels better. And if you look at my organization, everyone seems to be more joyful.

But just like anything, moderation is very important. So I. Even cacao fasts, and one cup of coffee requires 32 glasses of water to balance your internal pH. So just like anything, like if you’re on a honeymoon and you’re drinking really good wine from France, you know, that’s going to be amazing. And our body has certain limitations, right.

So if we’re not actually healthy, it has some form of. Anything can be not so good for us. Right. I feel that way about it. Mostly. Yeah. I mean, I think

balance is not just in food and drinks. It’s just about everything. Why don’t you? Well, let’s back up, but I love that because it’s just something, I have very little knowledge of it, but I’m always interested in, in you know, new things and trying to.

You know, work in front of the computer. Like I said, it’s not, it’s not everyday I can get out and about, and I am a very energetic type of a person to always looking for new ways to do that. But let’s talk about kind of your journey a little bit. So, so you were, you did a lot of dancing as a kid. Like what, what, what, tell me go any way anywhere you want to go in the path?

Yeah, sure. So you know, in Minnesota I was dancing. I had a lot of fun. Expressing myself, but then there was the trauma part. So that’s kind of like the work even cacao helps with is is that, so, you know, I went to college in Wisconsin and in Florida, as well as England, I went to three different colleges and I studied hospitality and the reason I got into hospitality is my father was in pharmaceuticals.

And he used to travel a lot and I used to go visit with him and these awesome hotels. And I just loved the feeling of people being taken care of and just this amazing people, love food. And I love food. I’m a foodie myself. And it was like learning that, that hospitality feeling of, of creating a space where people feel welcome and at home.

So that’s the path I went on. And, and then I was working at a hotel. I was 21 years old. I was a director of catering for 300. And I had gained so much weight from just the Western lifestyle. And that’s when I went back into what my grandparents taught me, the, you know, the way my grandma would procure and garden, and my grandpa would go to like four or five different stores and markets to get the right foods and the right vegetables.

It was that I learned that sensitivity. And, and in that sensitivity, I. Implementing aryuveda and implementing the doses and balance and went down that path. So a cacao and all those things came later on in life, but it was first healing, the body and healing the mind and healing the soul and getting out of the toxic lifestyle that I was living.

So, and then how

I actually, like, you know, I’m sure 24 years old, 20, 25, how did you actually move to that next step? Right. You’re working in a job, you know, that’s unhealthy, but like some of those. It’s sometimes it’s really hard for people

to move out of that. Totally. It was, it was addicting. I was getting paid very well.

I was in a partnership with a very beautiful human and we were connected from college and we were on the marriage path and everything. And my parents came up to me one morning and told me we have an amazing opportunity. My parents have a janitorial and sanitation supply company and a company in India.

One of the largest companies in. Approached us to do a joint venture. So my parents were like, we need you to leave your job and we’re moving to India. And so my, my partner and I both moved to India and we started working and doing this joint venture. The joint venture took a long time and a lot of money.

And in that process, I took my American express card and I started. Importing care team. My mom was flying into New York city before she to drive in India and getting care team treatments done. So it basically takes your, your fuzzy frizzy hair and it makes it flat and beautiful for a period of four to six months.

So I, I contacted my mom’s salon and I started, I became the first, the only importer of care team in India. So that’s, that was one of the things I did for three years. And my mom is still doing that. So that was, that was like going to India and immersing myself in the culture. It became really easy to just start living healthily and having support.

For someone who’s

never been to India. Just a quick side question, like where what’s your favorite places where to go?

What do you love about India? India is like, I feel like I’m such a culturally fruitful place where people just are comfortable being with each other. I love India. And I love the food and just the very, the, the, just the variants that are there.

You know, you go to north India, south India, it’s so different everywhere in even the way they consume, even the way they believe in terms of spirituality. So different. My favorite place is called gold. And go is like a peninsula. And it’s one of the most beautiful places. If you asked me it’s been owned by the Portuguese a lot and no one really owns Goa.

It goes between India and various governments. And it’s just one of those very sovereign places where people go to vacation and people go from all over the world. Kind of like Bali. I don’t know if you’ve been to Bali or I haven’t.

Yeah, but obviously

know about Bali, but you know, the BGS and the John Lennon and all those guys used to go in and create palaces there.

And there’s beautiful places all over and it’s amazing. It’s like scooter life, you, you drive a scooter around. Eat fresh food and it’s really good.

That sounds amazing. So you’re importing and doing all this, what happens next? W why, why did you stop doing it? I

guess, stopped. So, you know, it was part of my own growth, you know, like as an Indian son, only one Indian son, Belief that I had to take care of my family and I had to create something for them in order for their lives to move forward.

And it was all these things that I had to work through in order to start fulfilling my own dreams and my own passions and carotene. Wasn’t my passion. So I decided to go back to the U S and rebuild my life again. And, and I had different thoughts on what I wanted to do with that business. I also became very aware of health and just the way.

The world worked in certain ways of, of just toxins and things. And I truly believe that keratin wasn’t good for humans, you know, personally. So I didn’t want to put my energy into it anymore, you know? And so I came back and I hustled and, and rebuilt myself. And yeah, it was cool. So what was the next thing that you

did that was successful or

anything that, yeah, so I started another business.

It was called outstanding dining. It was kind of like a group on for restaurants, family owned restaurant. And local charities. So charities that I believed in and, and so I would tie them together and it was basically like an app and I got, I think 75 local, Minnesota restaurants signed up and we were doing that for a bit.

And then, yeah, it wasn’t, it wasn’t something that really took off, but

w w well, one of the questions I like to ask about, like, starting something like that is there’s always so many want to be entrepreneurs. And they always want to start something. And you know, I think one of the traits of entrepreneurship is maybe just allowing, not hearing all the no’s before you start or whatever it is, but like any tips or tricks, I’ve just actually getting started with that


Yeah. I mean, If you can do something that you’re passionate about, but also have a secure, not say you’re not worried about living, you know, your survival’s being taken care of. Then you have some gestation period between success or failure and success, you know, so I truly believe you got to keep hitting that.

You know, like the only way you’re going to be able to hit that ball with confidence and authority is, is by not doing that first. You know? So I, I just, all of that experience is something that I love because I learned how to communicate and connect and it was just a beautiful experience, you know? So yeah, I mean, I failed, but it was, it was beautiful.


and did you have like a side hustle that you were watching perhaps,

or. It’s still in the hospitality industry. I was a general manager for a hotel and arrested. Even in between those years, I was a chef at a restaurant. I also was a bartender. I ran a, a local that’s actually not local it’s based in Denver, but it was a pop-up bartending service.

So I was a manager of that. I did all these things, you know, just to keep the doors open and keep moving. You know,

it’s so funny. It’s very civil me. I’m always doing multiple things, but chef real quick. What’s your favorite? Like seasoning, like if you have a go-to one that you just kind of always have to have.

Yeah. So it’s not a have to have, but I’d really love truffle. Okay. Yeah. I can go for, you know, making anything truffle, like, you know, it has its own grounding feel to it and it’s nice. Yeah. Yeah. And

that, that took off where now a lot of things aren’t actual truffle,

but truffle it’s true.

Yeah. Ma I think mine would have to be lemon pepper is, seems so basic.

It can take some very boring dishes and at least give some life to it at least a little bit. And if you don’t have lemon pepper, then you know, obviously lemons and pepper work actually even better, but just a little bit more effort to put in there. So what was one of the things that maybe worked or didn’t work that’s of note with the with, I forget what the business was that we were doing.

Yeah. That the hot, that, where you had the multiple


areas, what did, what worked and didn’t work? Yeah. Yeah, just getting into the heart of like, getting to know people and getting to know what they needed and being able to communicate from the heart space, that was like the best experience. And also recognizing like my dream of wanting to own a restaurant needed it.

It’s still there, but I knew that there was time between when I was going to start it and you know, all of that, just like learning. Absorb wisdom, you know, and, and see the hard work people put into their business and then try to be there for them in the most integral way possible. So, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, it was a loss in the sense, like, I couldn’t fulfill all their dreams, but I got to at least experience, you know, a lot of what it takes to be a restaurant owner.

So what kind of restaurant would you want? Yeah, I’ve got an, I’ve got a really good idea. It’s a farm to table. Are you Vedic restaurant? So like, I love Casa and I’m a huge fan of Casa. But I would love to make something like Casa, but more plant like flavor. And I’m more of the curries and the, and the, in the long take, like things that take a long time to make like the long taken curries and the boss monkeys, rice, and the and things, making something like that, where it happens serves only once a day.

But food is being created all day, you know, and that you can taste that flavor in that work it’s been created. So I think some of

that was great because one just like tactically, like something can show up and get their food pretty quickly. Right. Because it’s, it’s ready to go and you can make it in mass.

Right. As opposed to. Having everything being very specific. And then you could also tell really great stories around your ingredients because it’s in season or you got at the certain farm or whatever. I could see that doing really well. Also with that. Is this something that you could do pop-ups with, you can start that way, right.

And to test some stuff out,

you know, Casa allows me to cook in their restaurant and I’ve done it a few times where I’ve had a Curry nights and things. And I

give a little quick background on Casa. Cause there’s a lot of people I actually have there’s all over the world. So sometimes they

won’t. So let me tell you a little bit about Casa, Casa de.

Is a macrobiotic restaurant, but it’s also like a spiritual center. It’s a space, a community space where they have facilities all over my business. Third eye meditation lounge is inside, along with another other businesses. And it’s a beautiful nonprofit been around for 30 years. Serving similar food for 30 years and it’s all a hundred percent organic.

They try to do as local as possible. And it literally feels like integrity. Just walking into the space. It’s like this beautiful, very tropical feeling that you are.

I feel like you’re in a different country, but you walk in and it’s like downtown Austin, which I’m sure 30 years ago was not even downtown at all.

Right on the way from downtown to Zilker park or something. But. Let’s see, actually, that’s take a side note because there’s so many different areas. I do want to talk about meditation because I think. Something that’s very helpful, helpful for a lot of people, but a lot of people don’t know who or where to start.

And we can talk about it in any direction you want to go. I do think that people would get some value on like how to start meditating and where to,

yeah. I’ll just talk about a few things about meditation that I know that’s based on my experience. You know, I believe we all, I believe that the. The body keeps the score and the issues are in the tissues and our nervous system and how we feel in our body is really important on how much you can meditate.

So if you don’t feel good in your body, it’s going to be more difficult for you to manage. It’s gonna be more difficult to calm the nervous system down and to process certain things within the body. So, I mean, for me, I started out and I went to Vipassana and I did the 10 day silent meditation retreat, which helped me face a lot of.

Has helped me face a lot of my trauma and, and allow the feelings that I wouldn’t allow myself to feel that come up. And that was very helpful from there. I learned all sorts of techniques and ways to meditate and, and also heal my body. Cause I think it’s a simultaneous thing. You, you, you can meditate, you know, forever.

But then you can also integrate some of that stuff. So it’s kind of like taking. I re a backpack when you need a suitcase. And if you, if you don’t heal the body, it’s going to feel like you’re always on a shorter journey than you could be on. Essentially. Does that make sense? It does.

And I’ll take it another side note.

Cause as though it was fun. So you’re like the third pipe, probably fourth or fifth, actually they have done these, you know, these long-term silent retreats, right? Maybe walk us through a little bit of that a little bit more. Cause I think it’s so interesting. Something that I haven’t done, but it’s

something that I’m very interest.

Yeah. So I went to the DAMA, Siri, Kaufman, Texas, it’s this organization is beautiful. They have these centers around the world and it’s, donation-based they take care of you, housing, food, you know, everything you need. And it’s just this little room that you get and it’s so beautiful. This. So my experience was I walked into this room.

I have my suitcase, and there’s nothing really that you can bring into this other than like clothes and that’s it. No supplements, just you. And it was really cool. So I walk in this room. I’m in here, got a schedule. And it’s basically 10 hours or so of meditation or learning your there’s some, some classwork.

There’s a, there’s a, a man who started his foundation who’s passed and he’s got videos that you listen to every night. The cool thing about it is if you’re, if you’re with what, what has happened. Every question you have gets answered in those videos each night, which is interesting. This guy obviously put this program together with a lot of intention and you do have questions.

I feel like I had questions and you can’t really speak to anybody about it. So this, this video at night, it was really helpful, but it’s basically breakfast at six in the morning. You get a lunch, a small lunch, and then a small dinner, and then you’re basically. One hour meditations is happening every, every hour.

And then you, you’re kind of like just in a spot where you don’t move for an hour. Each time the meditation happens. And the first three days you’re concentrating only on the air that’s coming out of your nose. And then it goes deeper. So there’s different practices that you’re learning, but really you’re learning body awareness.

You’re learning sensations, and you’re also learning to come up and feel the blocks because there will be blocks that come up when you’re not dealing with anything in the world, other than yourself. You will start to feel some of the things that are potentially within you. And do you

go in there with like a goal and, you

know, I, you know, I, I did

like a business idea or this or that, or relationship

health, or I think after the first one, you could probably do more of that.

Maybe if you do come in with the goal, that goal might not be apparent. If you face something else within your soul’s journey. You know, so I don’t want to say, you know, I know,

right? Yeah. Because you’ve been through it and back to just the normal meditation, I think a lot of people have troubles quieting their brain.

And obviously it’s very easy to reach for your phone or TV or, or whatever it is or a drink, or you can go on a large list there. What’s some just basic tips. I think for someone who. You know, they, they hear that 10 day retreat and that that’s way too much, but maybe they’re starting to feel like they need to start doing something.

What’s a great way to just,

yeah, totally. There’s some really cool techniques that you can do prior to meditation. So I say getting all the energy that stagnant or anything that’s within the body, getting that up, moving, shaking a tap. That’s really good. And then there’s also these little devices you can get there’s meditation devices, you can actually use they can do light therapy.

There’s something called a NuCalm, which puts Gabba on your PCIX. Right. Right here, it’s an acupuncture pressure point and it literally helps you shut down the brain. And then there’s followed by that there’s actual sounds that connect with the GABA and helped you get into a meditative state. So I actually love that.

I use that on a lot of my clients. And that’s just great for anybody you do that for an hour or half an hour, even it’s like four or five, six hours of additional sleep that your body receives from that transmission. So it’s

interesting that you say the tabbing cause I, what I do use in this, I guess you could be in the meditative area, but when I get nervous, I count my breasts and tap my fingers.

And I’ll do a three and three out just to kind of reset myself. And what’s great is you could do it without anybody knowing it’s, especially before you know, you’re giving a big speech or something. It’s a great way to just quit thinking about all the, what ifs and all these nervousness that are popping up and just focus on breathing.

And I think the tapping helps with that. It was Tony Robbins that I heard that did that. I don’t remember where it was from, but that’s what was very helpful. That’s very basic because he could just do it on the side. And you’ve kind of talked about, and I know we were going to jump around the journey, but you’ve talked about clients.

So when, when you say that

what’s that mean project, me and my partner, and a few other healers, it’s called a rooted integration project, a rooted integration project.com. It’s basically a four week program where we help reset the nervous system, get the gut health, the brain health, the heart health, and creating basically more, more coherence.

So we use heart math. We use a Tre, which is tremor release exercises. A lot of times trauma is stuck in the psoas and we help release just basic trauma in the body. And then we teach various meditative techniques, clearing technique. And we also have a shaman who helps with some ceremony work. So plant medicine potentially can be used, but we meet people where they’re at.

And most importantly is for people to help develop a secure attachment to them. So they understand, you know, what they’re bringing to the world and understand the separateness and the connectedness in between.

What’s kind of a, either a normal client or an ideal

client for you guys. Yeah. So someone who potentially, you know, has trauma or has found awareness with the trauma, doesn’t know how to actually heal or integrate someone who’s taken plant medicine who needs some support.

Someone who’s lost a family member, anybody who’s needing emotional connectedness, also inner child healing. So we, we do regression work. We do a lot of emotional work, so people are having hard time accessing their emotions. We help them do that. Yeah.

So it’s kind of, you know, I guess a different way of kind of a psychologist with a little bit of you know, but also with the body, it sounds like too, kind of the

merging of all the bodies, mind, body spirit.

So all of it.

Yeah. I’ll I’ll yeah, that’s a great way to put it. And how’d you even get into that stuff, obviously, you’ve you kind of have this interesting path and you were getting more connected to yourself. And then a follow up question with that is how did you make that into a business? Cause that’s something that’s super interesting.

I think a lot of people start getting involved in these unique areas that might not be so mainstream, but then they just kind of keep it to themselves or just

do with their friends. I studied tantra, I learned seven levels of a lineage and I just started teaching. I had a clients about 10 years ago.

I started. Just implementing all the things I learned after two years of celibacy, after going through my own progress of the program, I learned from this couple who’ve been teaching for 40 plus years. They were 70 plus years old and they had all this energy and vitality and I was. Sign me up, you know, so that was my first teaching.

I become certified in somatics and Reiki and all sorts of things. But Tanisha was for me, one of the most important things that I wanted to bring to the Western world in an appropriate integral way. So I started teaching the COVID. And I did this a hundred day celibacy course about seven or eight years ago here in Austin.

And it was a huge success. I think we, we made like 50 grand, you know, and it was awesome. It was like, wow, this, this actually is great. And, and to this day, a lot of these students are people very much involved in my life and I’ve seen so much progress from it. I believe you have to root down to right.

And tantra is one of the greatest tools to root down, to rise up, to get strong in your core and your mulabandha and in the lower parts. And so it was tantra that taught me a lot of these foundational work. And from there, I just studied everything I could possibly study. And I put together a program based on what I thought worked best.

And it’s always improving. I’m always taking more courses and learning more that I can implement with this project.

So what about the haters that sit there and say that. You making money off of this stuff. Do you have any, any flack in that

area? Of course, money and I think is very powerful. And you know, if you’ve read rich dad, poor dad, you know, you’ll understand just the basic concepts and power around money and.

If you value something and, and you want to do something about it, money has to be exchanged. And I think that’s important. So I

see money as fuel, right? And because you have to have it, and let’s say in your field, if you want to reach five people and stuff like that, that’s fine. You don’t have to, you don’t have to charge for it.

But if you want to reach 5,000 or 5 million, you’re going to have to have some fuel

a hundred percent, a hundred percent. If I don’t feel comfortable with the work I’m doing, if I don’t feel. In that exchange. I don’t want to be there. And it’s it’s energy for me to be able to share that space. So I value it.

It’s not cheap. Our program is $4,000 per month and I don’t think that’s a small investment. It’s a mortgage for some people. So, you know, nice mortgage.

Yeah. But you know, it’s also investment in yourself is what in a lot of people that want it want to get to the next level. To me selling on value is different than selling.

Like, you know, I’m going to give you these four attributes to whatever you’re saying. Hey, what if I can. Really some blockage of you. So you could invest in some place or starting a company, or

not only that is preventative medicine, right? So it’s genetic work that we do that help prevent things that are in your genetic line.

So we do actual gene work. It’s crazy. Like you can prevent a lot of things that your parents went through. If you get awareness, And that’s, that’s all it is. And that you can’t pay. If you can’t go to the Western, you can’t go to a doctor and you can’t even go to a psychologist to find that information it’s deep work.


I say, you know, parents of alcoholic or something is that, and that’s kinda what you’re saying is,

and fix something like that. Not even fix it first, we figured out the root of how it started. That’s how trauma works. It’s it’s, it’s something that happened too fast, too quick, too soon. You didn’t have any way of, of processing or.

Finding the ground from there. So you’re still holding something that’s nervous in the body. That’s, that’s how trauma works, really. So it could be that they’re traumatized from something within their family line that caused the alcoholic gene to turn on. So we then find that and access it and process and heal.


was it. Are there any traumatic trauma there that you would like to share that, that you went through that got you on this


I mean, I went through a lot of things with my own father and my mother that, you know, definitely taught me a lot about how to even recognize trauma. I didn’t even know I was traumatized for so long and that’s a lot of people’s story.

Sometimes people think that this happy go lucky lifestyle in life. And trauma, what happens is it when it comes up you get to see some of the parts and the areas in which these patterns are stored and you get to heal, not just that aspect, but your, your family’s reason for carrying it too. So it’s really beautiful.

The circle that happens. Wait, sorry, what was the question again? There was

some traumatic stuff that you .

So when I was a child, I walked into a party with my parents and very nice lush. Beautiful home. And, and I don’t know exactly what it was, but there was an energy there and this, this person was unbuttoning my coat and fondling me right in front of my father.

And for a long time, that was an unprocessed trauma that caused me to not first of all, trust men, my father, and we had a huge gremlin between us for a long time, which got cause a lot of abandoned us and all sorts of things. But I’m at a point where I recognize. His story and all the things that created that incident, you know, and no longer causing blame and shame and all the things around that.

So, yeah.

Well thank you for sharing that’s I mean, that’s that stuff can, you know and I’m very happy also on the flip side of it, that you’ve been able to recognize it, which is a big step and then, and deal with it to move through it because you don’t want that weight

to carry around forever. Trauma you carry people’s pain.

That’s not yours. You know, so it’s like I was carrying not just my feelings and emotions, but my father’s and his emotion and reaction was also traumatic. So you get to learn these things. And

because he probably felt very, very belittled as well or worthless or whatever it would be. It’s probably more than Muslim.

It was his inner child that was present at that moment to which you get to learn some of these. Through something called completion process, it’s a form of hypnosis that I also have trained in. So yeah. W w

why don’t you give us a little bit more on that? I suppose also there’s so many different areas

and completion process is a tool designed by teal Swan.

And what it is is it’s allowing, let’s say a traumatic incident that happened in your childhood. You there’s a whole set and setting that you create in order to have your adults. Comfort your inner child during that space. So if you have had something in a feeling or emotion, or even an incident that you feel still unsafe around, there’s a, there’s a way to bring your adult self to comfort your inner child.

And that’s what the process really is. It takes about two hours. Oh, wow. Yeah.

And you know, one thing I wanted to get to as well with a lot of these sayings is let’s say that somebody who doesn’t have a lot of money doesn’t live in Austin, Texas, But has some of these, you know, this trauma or traumatic experiences that they do want to begin to work through.

You know what, what’s a good place to start.

we recommend first thing is read the book. It didn’t start with you. That book actually comes with a bunch of worksheets that I utilize for my clients as well. It’s great. It helps you start to uncover and then process. Just learning how to sense your feelings is a great way to start moving emotions that are stuck in the body.

So there’s tools start doing that, and that will bring you to the next thing, which could be yoga or whatever it is that helps start moving the energy or tapping or emotional, you know Tre you know, things like that. So you can find a Tre practitioner in every state in the world, basically. And then what’s,

what’s, you know, what’s five years out for you.

Like, what are you, what

are you looking forward to doing? Totally I hope to have. Created really amazing connections with cacao and potentially owning a farm myself or creating more sustainability for farmers traveling and, and really sharing the medicine that is cacao. I think that’s probably the focus for the next few years.

I’m also potentially working with a franchise advisor. To make third eyes something that we can bring to other cities and to bring to other communities. And that’s also goal. And our do you guys have

plans for just selling like the rock a cow? We do it. I feel like it’s do that now, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And is that more in like a powdered state in a hard, slow?

Well, what we do is we take a cow paste, which is everything that comes from the actual being other than the, than the fruit like the. So the relish or whatever you want to call it. And we, and they grind it up into a paste, so that has all the fat in it.

And when you transport that it’ll melt. Right? So we do focus on making that and we ship it cold a lot of times. But we take that paste and we, we cold crumble it into a powder so people can consume it easier. And that’s one of our flagship products is the third act of cowlick, elixir. And people just add that to their hot water and use one of those little latte mixers.

And you’ve got your morning drink. That’s a

lot of fun. And then. Take a kind of a look back like, all right. So you’ve done a lot of interesting things a bit all over the world. It sounds like. What kind of advice would you give all the way back to like, you know, 16 year old self?

Yeah. Yeah, it would be probably to read certain books, you know, and get more info, get more knowledge around certain things that I feel like I’m playing catch up on now, you know?

So yeah, I mean, it would be to also have, don’t forget to have fun. Yeah. And remember your roots, remember how important it is that that culture brought to you? You know, there was a time and a place where I felt like my culture, wasn’t something I could be proud of and that’s completely shifted as I’ve dived deeper into it.


what about any, so you talked about, you know, we just talked about what you would recommend yourself, but in any regrets or along this path?

Yeah, definitely. Not like regrets, but just. Be slower, you know, just take more time, find, find meditation quicker, you know? I think those are the things, you know I feel like I had a beautiful life, but it happened too quickly and I wish I could have just slowed down a little bit.

I feel like that’s something. And so it would say when they’re older, so it’s great that, you know, maybe we didn’t recognize that when we were 16, but you know, the younger than better to recognize slow down. And I feel like that as well. One thing that I, it was a quote I heard or something. I do firmly believe it, in order to slow down time, you have to create your new experiences because otherwise, if you’re doing the same thing every day, your brain kind of gets on autopilot.

And it’s very

forgettable. Right? I believe that in some aspect, I feel like consistency is good. But then if you can just make 1% shift within consistency. So you’re still consistent, still in the masculine, but then you’re finding creative ways to integrate that consistent thing that you’re doing. So you’re getting better at it or you’re getting optimizing it or whatever it is, you know, so, yeah.


like, and so we do like, I, you know, to have our food at certain times and having shelter had a lot of different things that need to be consistent. Yeah. What about like, I’m sure you get with a ton of these like common myths that you hear in cringe. It could be meditation. It could be in the other areas that you do, but anything that you just want to talk about that like, just kind of, you hear and you kind of

want to talk about, yeah.

So, you know, in Austin it’s really popular now, the hot bats or the hot the sauna and then the cold baths, you know, and, you know, I really feel like putting yourself in a position to be hot and cold. Can be really good for the nerve reset the nervous system sometimes, but doing that constantly doesn’t allow for gestation to happen.

So I really believe integration is being able to go from dissonance to resonance and finding consistency and being resonant. And I feel like right now in our spiritual community, in various plant medicine communities, it’s too much of the medicine. It’s too much of the. The, the party without the, the rest and the meditation and the, and the parts that require integration.

So I know it’s cool to take mushrooms and all these other things, but you know what we’re doing at third eyes, creating classes and spaces where people can integrate, you know, what they’ve learned from their journey and to really slow down, to speed up so that, you know, they have more focus and clarity.

They feel more fulfilled in their life. And I think that’s really important.

So let’s talk more about plant medicine. And I have very little knowledge in this area as in personal out knowledge, but I’m very interested in the area, right. So I’m actually just take it wherever you like it. You know what, what’s a very common questions that people have asked you, or what do you guys start with?

Like w w w

wherever we want to take it. So so in terms of health, just basically, I believe that when we’re healing, we have a lot of symptoms and when we heal too quickly, So when our body is, is doing something internally, that’s moving something too quickly. Energetically our physical body may not be able to handle it.

So you know, Plant medicine can, can be really good if let’s say you have a block that your consciousness can not overcome. Plant medicine can be helpful to help you change your state in order to move through something, you know, that can be potentially painful or traumatic or whatever it may be.

It could be even genetic that you have no idea about that you’re carrying, you know, so. Depending on what it is. There’s various different plant medicines. There’s things that open you up. There’s things that bring you in this things that is various things. So like ketamine is a disassociative. Iowasca is one of those things that can be very spirit.

It’s like a spirit molecule where it connects your soul to, you know, to the earth in a very, in a way that can be very disruptive. Can take a long time to integrate from. So that’s why I believe set and setting are super important. Let’s say you lose a partner of 20 years, you know, and you have a hard time processing it and your children are tired and you don’t have a lot of, you have a lot of time on your hands.

I asked them might be good for you, you know, but let’s say you’re an entrepreneur and you’ve got shit going on and you can’t take two months off for three months off to rest and do that. I will ask us not recommend it. I would potentially recommend maybe mushrooms, which has a quicker gestation time from recovery.

Because these are poisons in our body is going to react in a way that will heal in certain ways. If you’re, if you’re in the right space and you have the right time and you have the right dealers and support around you. So it’s really sentencing. And all these different medicines do different things.

Our Western world is becoming very open to that in our current timeframe, which is cool. However, there’s an extreme to everything, right? So. I really believe, you know, the person who’s procuring the medicine, the person who’s receiving the medicine have really good intentions is coming from a really grounded place.

And, and really decides, you know, this is what I want to do. What do you ask the right person? What they need, you know, and where do you see you kind

of the future of this? I mean, it seems like you said it, you know, the U S itself seemed like they’re becoming more and more open to some of these MDMs and stuff like that.

Where do you see

this? Yeah, like MDME are our sassafras. That’s like more of like, let’s say someone who’s been bitter for a long time, you know, it needs to find more love. It’s a good one for that. What I see it going is, do you know what spiral dynamics is? I do not know. Okay. So spiral dynamics is this, is this a.

Thought belief system in which there’s various types of consciousness that live in our planet right now that if you believe in spiral dynamics, this is the first time in our life where we have so much variety of consciousness. So there’s different groups and people and humans who live in a certain vibration live in a certain lifestyle that carry a certain vibration and consciousness.

That’s why there’s so much difference right now, this very much difference between our parents. Or grandparents and grandchildren, whatever it may be technology and various human or earth changes have created these separations. Not that it’s good or bad, but because of this new consciousness that’s coming, you know, we’re going to have a lot more evolution.

So I believe we’re going to evolve. And, and that’s what I see at our future being is being more evolved society. But with variance, you know, there’s still people in our world living primitively there’s people who are living very much in a technological AI world. So you see how there’s so much variance

and when you say kind of evolve or primitively.

I have, I think I got a pretty good idea what you’re saying, but are you saying basically at some people just won’t make it to the next kind of state that they should be in or they’re just going to live poorly or like, what do you mean?

See, I don’t believe in shooting, you know, are like shooting on me or anyone because everyone has their own life and purpose.

Right. So dogs going to be a dog and maybe next life there’ll be a human, I guess what you’re saying now. Yeah. So that’s the reincarnation aspect of how I believe. So if someone eats Doritos, smoke cigarettes, drinks, alcohol, they’re going to live out their life purpose to whatever it is. Or if you look at like a guy from SunLife organics who completely shifted his life and how now has these juicing places and yo you know, healthy things, people can make a shift, you know, and it’s not any.

Like forced to do. That’s an internal thing, you know? So I, I truly believe everyone’s, life’s purpose is their life’s purpose. And if they decide to upgrade their consciousness, that’s going to be a sovereign personal choice and then they’re going to do it. And then and it could be even a downgrade of consciousness.


very much so. Right. Yeah. And, and kind of that’s, it’s interesting. Cause that’s what. More where I, how I grew up as is believing a lot of those different things. And the religion that I grew up in was very much in the reincarnation of kind of moving your soul to the next journey next step, and try to move up.

Of course

C and then there is no hierarchy though. That’s where the sovereignty and the unity comes from because the dog and the, and the, and the, the very evolved person hold the same amount of power that creates the. The same godly energy that circulates in that dog is in that human too. That’s the only way we will be able to see them.

On this dimension. So what does success look like for you? So success for me, I’ve been around, you know, outwardly successful people and I’ve been around people who I never thought would be successful or is successful, but successful to me is feeling really good. And the being so nervous system is happy.

Physical body is happy. Sex life is intact and fruitful. Finances are, are good. Friendships are really strong. Community is strong. So I don’t want to be rich and lonely. I’m not going to be that guy. I don’t care about that. That’s not my end goal. My end goal is to be surrounded by loving, amazing trustful people who are creating in this world.

And, and, and it’s, there’s no like unseen unsaid competition. Creating beautiful creations together and sovereignty, you know, so success to me is being able to give to the world, you know, and, and create with the world. So, yeah.

So what do you think what are you proudest of that you’ve have you’ve accomplished.

So it’s, it’s an internal thing. That’s proud. I don’t, I can’t be proud of it to other people because it doesn’t make sense. But for me to overcome all the physical challenges and to be, you know, an athlete to be a a competitive pickleball player, it feels. Or even tennis player, whatever it is.

I felt like that could have never happened in my life, just from all the difficulties I had from just walking. So that to me is such a thing I’m very proud of. You know, I feel like that’s an accomplishment. Absolutely. Yeah.

Anything that we didn’t cover that

you would like to. So I did start a rejuvenation center in Costa Rica.

I started this thing called blue zones, rejuvenation. I had a tragic incident after I was working for my family’s business and I wasn’t in integrity and I wasn’t living my passion and I lost part of my finger. Oh, wow. I’d never noticed that. Yeah. So I lost part of my finger in a boating accident. I was wakesurfing and a rope got cutter on my arm and I pulled my hand back and it caught my finger and it completely changed my life.

Spirituality wasn’t on the back burner. It was like on the front burner and I was ready to follow my dreams and start third eye and do all the things before I started third, I started blue zones, which blue zones. I dunno if you know who Dan Bittner is. He’s probably a 10 time bestselling author of the blue zones book.

He was a national geographic photographer who made his name and did some amazing things. And. Places around the world that people lived over a hundred years consistently. And that’s what called blue zones. So I studied the blue zones. I got into it and I created a rejuvenation center in Costa Rica called Costa Rica called blue zones rejuvenation center.

So I left everything. I took all the money I had and I invested into this hotel and we converted into a center and we started doing these things and I just fell in love with Costa Rica and retreat. We got a season, this, this letter from a guy named Dan Bittner who wrote those books. And my partners were lawyers who did not want to change the name.

And I was like, I just want to do retreats. You know? So they were like adamant about it. I was like, you know what, I’m going back to Austin. And, and in that time, a gentleman gave me some investment to, to start making elixirs. So I started this whole business, just making it like. And in my retreats, I used to make these really awesome elixirs, cacao, elixirs, and golden milks and all these things to help people feel good in their body.

And that’s kinda how I started out. Third eye is really

interesting. And so is, is that retreats still there?

And no, they went. I was kind of the, the brain around the whole business. They went back to the hotel, but I did build a yoga teak, so they did get to

keep it, keep it. And do you still travel back to Costa

Rica often?

Or I haven’t. You know, I desire to go back, but other places that I desire to put some energy into, it’s so

hard. There’s so many amazing places in the world. I actually haven’t been to Costa Rica because my wife has been multiple times. We’ve been to Nicaragua. I had an amazing experience there and I loved it.

They’ve got good,

good cow there too. I’m sure they do. I’m

there, right? I mean, they’re right next to Costa Rica. One way that she described Nicaragua is it’s like Costa Rica, but like 20 years ago before it got so popular, The days it’s not near as popular because we, you know, we have a pretty negative commentation and of the area as Americans, but also it has had some political instability over the years.

There’s been a, there’s a million people from Canada. They’re like, they’re like, yeah, it took me 14 hours to get here. I’m like, yeah, I got here in six hours, you know, like, or, or five and, you know, from Austin, cause it’s straight south and pretty easy. And they just don’t have that negative connotation of the area.

And then there all the time, and there’s fantastic surfing. And you can say on Alma temp is this like volcano that you can stay on and right up on a horseback and just, and it’s cost nothing like literally nothing.

My friend has a property up. She owns a property that she, she doesn’t know if she’s gonna go back to but it’s crazy because you can own property there, very inexpensively.

And but there is a little bit of fear around the local war that’s happening there and you can lose it all. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

When we were there you know, we weren’t stupid. Didn’t do anything crazy, but we felt totally safe at the time and that obviously could be fluid, but we were, there was, and also it’s a touristy.

And the fact of the Nicaragua Nicaragua’s touristy, which is nothing like touristy places that are known to house travelers, just fine. Airbnb, places like that. So, yeah. And this is my last question. I end every podcast with this. How would you like to be remembered? Yeah.

Yeah, so in India they have this thing called

So someone who is heart giving, you know, someone who. Is able to give, you know, with less thought involved, you know, so obviously having good boundaries of what I need to do to take care of myself, but being able to give with a good heart and that’s something I feel like is really important. I love it.

Yeah. Well, Neil,

thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank you for having me. Pleasure. Yeah,

that’s great. Cheers. Yeah. Cheers.


All right. I got Lauren here on the establishing your empire podcast. Why don’t you give us a little background information of who you are and what you do. Great. Yes. So I create comedy through characters and I tried to help us all laugh about what’s hard in the world. So, I’ve taken people that are, lot of them are misunderstood and, and try to help create some understanding between myself, them, and hopefully the audience.

That’s super fun. So why, why characters instead of just, you know, stand up comedy or, you know, it’s, it’s like something that just, you realize something you’re really good at. That’s one of the, that’s why I started to focus on it as a business strategy. is this, you realize like finally, like, like I was talking to a Booker and he said, you know, I need to find a show where I can put you on and you can come into your characters.

And I was like, no, no, I can do my standup, my regular standup. He’s like, yeah, but. Yeah, no one else does that though. No one else has your characters. You’re the only one. And I’m like, ah, yeah, it’s awesome. And was that something that you did like as a kid, a bunch, like, did you always end up in person eight people and make jokes?

Well, you know, when I was a kid, I was, I was a little bit shy and very sensitive, but I was an outsider and I don’t look like anyone in my neighborhood. So I’m tall and fair. And everyone in my neighborhood were short, little Italian people. I grew up in Howard beach in Queens, which is like the set of the Sopranos.

And, and so, and even in my family, so I don’t look like anyone and I, Oh, I’m really tall and skinny. And I was able to perspective and I would watch about, I never felt like I was part of them. And so, so I would watch how people would treat each other and had that outsider view. And. When I started creating one of the first things that I thought about was doing a character and I was attracted to any sort of art form that required a character development.

And I started to use the experiences of watching, how people treated each other growing up. And some of my first characters were all basically based on my family from that. I love that. So how, how did you go from all right. You know, Going through high school doing all that and then actually getting into comedy, like, was it something where it was really easy and got paid for your first gig?

Or like quickly, or like how did you actually make it into even thinking about it being a career? Well, I didn’t grow up in a family that. Thought that anything, but getting a job with a pension benefits, you know, work. So I actually, I went to Wesleyan university, one of the most progressive schools in the country and I was in my mind, it was like, they didn’t really ever tell me, like, you’re not allowed to.

I just knew that they would never approve of me doing anything but science, because why would I do anything that didn’t have a practical application? Like what do you do? You major in English? And then you just become a teacher. Like, what are you? Good job. Do you get. So I didn’t understand that that’s not how it works, how to think, and then you can do anything didn’t that was not sold in my family.

They were like, but what job? Like, what jobs do you get from that? So then I, so I majored in science and what ended up happening, I became the teacher. So I was a teacher for three years and like, I never thought, just never thought it was possible. And I had to work through like a lot of. Emotional things before I could get on the stage again, when I was a kid, I was, I was dancing and performing and.

you know, locally and it was always something I like I love to do, but I never thought, like I could do anything. And then just, you know, growing up, being so different, coming out in college, I had so and so, so much family drama. I wasn’t ready to beyond the stage again. So it wasn’t until. I became a teacher.

I moved away. and then I was there for three years in California and I started to perform on like performance art type stages, drag sages, and other places. And I was creating these characters and I’ve really loved it, but I loved it in a way that not everyone around me did like to them. It was a hobby.

And to me it was a calling. And that’s when I knew like, all right, like I have to do something with this, but I didn’t know what it would mean and no idea. And like Steve Martin said something to the effect of when. I decided to become, get into show business. It was because I know nothing about show business and that’s why I said yes, so that get into it head first.

And then I like, wasn’t sure what I was going to do. And then I got a fellowship to go to India for a year. And while I was there, I was basically like, if I don’t do. What I love to do, then I’m wasting my life. I have this opportunity. I’m the lucky to be able to have it, the education and the background to be able to do a little bit of what I wanted.

Cause once I was a teacher, I knew I could tutor. I had like an income stream kind of that I can back myself up with. So, and I’m so glad I was miserable, like miserable majoring in science. But yet now I’m not afraid of a spreadsheet and I can always pseudo chemistry. So that was like, when I came back to New York, that was something I knew that I could do.

So now I’m in New York and I knew no one, like no one in show business, I’m from Queens. How would beat, you know, I’m like, so Sonia so far from the city. So it’s like, it’s like a million miles away. Like people like go to Broadway once a year. So. There was no sort of like a path for me at all. No welcome mat.

And so what I did is I knew one person and then I talked to that person and I said like, this is what I want to do. I want to get be a performer professionally. I don’t know what it would mean. And then that person introduced me to someone else. And then that person introduced me to something else, someone else.

And that’s really how it goes. I like, I have friends from back in the neighborhood. They’re like, we have no idea how, you know, all these people. And it’s like, well, I didn’t either. I just started. That’s and you just show up to things. You go to events, you, you, I hate the word network, but as you get to know people and you build relationships and you foster those relationships and you keep track of those relationships very important.

And you just like, kind of grow them over the years. Cause the mom main thing is, is especially in show business, is that people everyone’s a flake. There’s so many, there’s so many people that I want to like try to do acting. And where I want to be. I want to write a screenplay. I want to do comedy. Yeah.

What have you done? You know, and they, they get discouraged after, you know, two, two months or two years, and then they leave, like, there’s that scene in the Sopranos where. What’s is it Christopher? Christopher is like, he buys like a laptop and screenplay software and he’s like, I don’t know. I just can’t write it.

Just, I bought it and it’s like, yeah, well, this comes through the really intense inner work to do. what you’re supposed to do, and this is like, I mean, for any real, any sort of career, any sort of, if you’re an entrepreneur, whatever you’re doing, like, okay, you want to do it, but now comes, the grinding now comes, the rejection now comes the like, feeling like you fail every single day, her hearing, you suck every single day.

Like it’s not easy. And that’s what separates the people who can do something different with the people who, who can. Yeah. And let’s talk about the garage. Yeah. Let’s talk about the grind, but because, so I own a photo video company too, so I know what you’re talking about. A lot of models that want to be a model or photographers.

I want to be photographers, but they just get that they spend all this money on the camera and then they just think that’s enough. Like I got a $6,000 camera, you know, and I had had this little art piece that I made and it’s like, what else have you done? So let’s go back. So one of in New York, like how was your first, you know, your first, I dunno, standup comedy or production piece, like talk to us about that kind of journey from then to now a little bit more in like how you decided to go into the direction you’re going in or however you want to take it.

I just kind of want to talk about the grind a little bit. Yeah, well, yeah, the main thing is like getting like so many performers, It spoke to so many people, just by asking like, Hey, can I have a few minutes of your time to talk about your journey? Taylor Mac was someone I spoke on the phone with just happened to know someone who knew him.

He’s a, is an incredible theater artist in New York. And it was like, how did you get started there? Like I just jumped on every single stage that I could. That’s always, and that’s what I did. And I. Jump I’ve jumped on a lot of stages all over the place. I’m in whatever I was doing. Just trying to put my work out there and to get better at it.

So, I mean, I’ve done, like I did a play in this experimental theater. And hell’s kitchen. That was good, but it got me in New York times up. So like, things like that, you know, you never know, you never like this theater. Oh my God. I would have never thought this crazy show. There’s like John Janae play. And then there’s, I didn’t never thought that did, would do anything for me and it, and it led to something that did, so that.

You know, you just never know what’s going to happen. Yeah. Getting those reps and I think is really big and no. Any, any industry like getting just reps and reps? Yeah, absolutely. And when I was, working on stand up, so I kind of was. You know, figuring out I was doing cool plays and the director was like, it seems like you just want to talk to the audience.

And I was like, yeah, I think I do. And then someone brought me to a standup show and I was like, or stand up open mic. And I was like, Oh, this is it. Oh my God. I found it. This is the thing. And like so many people in comedy, it just like, you know, you want to make your voice heard. But to me stand up was never an option because.

In comedy in general, because I would go to like a standup show and it would be a straight white guy standing on stage, making fun of everyone who he felt was beneath him. And so like every, you know, it was just making same massage, gymnastic, racist, sexist, Joe homophobic jokes. And I’m like, I don’t, I never felt like I could, I want to do it.

It never made me feel great to go to a comedy show. And then I realized that there’s all these other comedians. Who are outside the mainstream and do well and create comedy that unites rather than divides and makes people feel great in, in the best way. So it took me a while to get there because a lot of comedians don’t realize that we it’s an option that we, that we can do it.

So when I finally got there, I use the same strategy, which is just like jump on any stage. So I was actually performing like. Cranberry New Jersey

and like, hated like so hated by so many people and like these middle of nowhere places. But I was advised by some senior comedians get away from the fray. Don’t. Don’t do stuff like in New York, because then people have already seen you. And you know what, when I was, focusing a little more on acting when I’m just starting out, I wish I would have done that.

I wish I would’ve because then people feel like they know already know you. I wish I would’ve gotten my sea legs somewhere else, to be honest, and then come back and kind of knew exactly what I was doing and what I stood for and what I wanted because it’s first impressions are a lot. And so I wish I would have kind of.

You know, there is that like one person who doesn’t know what they’re doing and somehow falls into a career. And I think that is just few and far between, and I think I like worked my way up and was able to, and like, so act and like got myself to understand the industry, but I’ve just feel like it’s quicker if you just you’re ready to go.

And that’s, what I was doing with comedy, I was hiding from the city and just as I was about to like, start to do more stuff within New York. that’s when I fell into doing standup as Melania Trump, and that was like a joke I did at a comedy club in the parks casino. And it was a joke about Melania Trump looking miserable.

Like she’s a, that reminds me of Malani. I saw a picture and I was like, Oh my God, it reminds me of Melania Trump. I ma I remind myself, Oh, I saw a picture of myself and it reminds me of Melania Trump. Cause she’s miserable, but trying, And that was, and I came off the stage and the Booker was like, you gotta do an impression.

And, I was like, Oh man, I don’t, I do, I do like original characters. I don’t do, I don’t do impressions. And then I did it a few videos and I was like, all right, that’s it. But it did well. And then someone asked me to do a Halloween show and that, and I did stand up as her and it went really well. And then I created an Instagram channel and that started to it’s just like things kept happening as well.

And then I wrote a book, and that kind of led me to where I am. So I guess to summarize, it’s been like, just. Putting one foot in front of the other and having like a greater goal of like what I want to do in the world. And just trusting that I’ll somehow get there, you know, just by, I would have never predicted this millennia thing ever, ever.

Yeah. So how, how did, so that’s great that, that somebody else kinda gave you that first push to create that character, but how do you actually get into character right. Mentally? Like how do you, how does that work? Yes. Well, It’s in my process. It’s hard to know, you know, like, like, like Meryl Streep says, like, you don’t want to tell all the secrets you’ll ruin the fun and the magic, maybe.

So, I use a few different techniques that I’ve learned over the years. one thing I’ve had to fight against is that I’m like a very physical actor and. Like, you know, someone who likes to kind of put on, on the costume first, if, I guess if I had to describe it. And there’s a lot of pooh-poohing of that in the, In the, in the acting world.

So I had to like kind of overcome teachers who would make me feel bad for that. Then that’s something like, I think when you go into anything, you have people who like shit on what your natural instincts are. I was like, I was talking to someone the other day, like when you get into acting training, you know, you have certain instincts.

And I wonder if this is the same for peoples feel this way for business school, but you have instincts and this made you made, you want to go into, to what you were doing. And then they go there and they try to. Sell you a formula that they say is the way to do it. And then you have to get through that, have them almost demolish your spirit.

But remember it, remember what the original spirit was and fight through that spirit. And then come out on the other side where you have that initial spark, but yet you have more technique and knowledge behind you. And, and I think that’s beautifully put the big thing is, is if you do exactly what all the teachers tell you to do, you’re just going to be normal.

But you still need the technique you need the reps. So there’s still value there, but I do believe that you have to go off on your own path. Otherwise again, you’re just going to be the same person, same, same actor, same comedian photographer business person now on down the road. absolutely. So let’s talk about the millennia character a little bit.

so tell me, maybe let’s go actually, the marketing side of it first, social media, offline, online, what’s kind of your approach to marketing with before, even before the book and all that. Like how did, how did you kind of come up with getting this out there? Yeah, so, so much, I mean, one thing is, to be consistent in.

Creating online content. So how do you do that when you’re trying to perform and write for the stage and stand up stage and do a million other things. And the secret is batch filming. I will not shoot less than 10 videos in a day. And. Now we’re doing tech talk, forget it. We’re just doing it. You could do a zillion videos in a day and it, cause you find the theme that you’re working on and you just, you literally like create for that theme and you make repeatable videos you can do over and over and you’d be surprised how many work like I’m releasing videos.

I shot two years ago. In the produce production just took that long, but I kept it on theme. Like people don’t change. Let me tell you like some of these days for millennia, like just as relevant justice applicable. So batch creating video. It’s been super essential. So that was one thing so that I could be consistent.

You really need to be consistent on social media. That’s that’s a big deal. I also look to Acadian. That’s been very, very helpful as of late Acadian is a great place to match you up with an apprentice. and it’s been, since I was a teacher, I have skills and mentoring. And so I get these really, really great people who help me just with.

Like scheduling YouTube videos, looking up keywords, doing the thumbnails. Cause it is too much. It is too much. There is too much and there’s ways to get help. And I think at a certain point you have to be like, I’m either going to not sleep or I’m going to get help. So that’s, that’s another way. Cause then as you start to create all this stuff and now you need to distribute all this stuff and also I’m creating other stuff as well.

So that’s been kind of the mechanisms as which I’ve kind of kept this. This basically like assembly line for online video going then. Oh, it’s so interesting. Sorry to cut you off there, but this is what’s great about podcasts is I get to talk to people with all different walks of life and they it’s all the same story.

You know, create a ton of content batch process. It gets some freelancers or some employees to help you and be consistent and continue keep going, because it’s not going to, it’s not going to all happen in one day in one week. It’s going to be over a period of time. And if you keep creating that content.

Yeah. I feel like I’ve weighed people down, down with the enormity of my message until they fucking listened to me. That’s how I’ve done it. I’ve not no cause no one guess no one wants to listen to you and no one cares about you. And you have to force it. And there are so many, I mean, people out there with so many advantages of who they know who their father knows they happen to get on a television show and they have an advantage and don’t fucking hesitate for a goddamn second.

Okay. But any, any little trick you can do to get ahead because, because everyone else’s. And so you gotta go to, you have to do whatever you have to do to get it out there. And like, you know, also the like there’s of course, I’m sure you’ve all heard this, that Gary then our truck, like, you know, 63 con pieces of content in a day or whatever it is, 36 to whatever it is a lot of content in a day.

And I think like looking at like, Repurposing content. That’s a big deal, you know, like, cause the other thing is no one sees anything. No one reads, no one hears understands cares. So like, so what I say about that is like I put out a one minute video. Well, I could take a clip of that a ten second clip and put it up six months or a year from now.

Because no one remembers no, one’s going to remember that woman in video. And if they do, Oh my God, what a fan? Tell them something, please. Like, no, one’s going to remember. And then you can also say, if you have a longer video, you can turn that into a medium article. just started thinking of like all the different ways you can like bring messages from one form to the other, because no one.

Is no one will remember and people need to hear it multiple times in order for them to get it. and like, you know, if you want, like, if I write a really great joke, that’s 30 seconds in. I know most people aren’t going to see that. And it’s like giving, like respecting your work. Like you wrote a good joke.

I like wrote the joke, rehearsed a joke, film, the joke, like edited the joke, like did some post-production on the joke, like. I got to give the joke life. Like you have to respect your work and that’s it, you know, even like with podcasting, that’s something like in the last year I’ve been working on my podcast and I’ve realized like, I’m not even maximizing that.

Like there’s so much, like I should be sending clips to people who’ve been on the podcast. Like I should be finding more ways to put clips that I’ve of stuff that I’ve done on my podcast. I mean, There’s so much, and I should be like, writing more about the experience of having the podcast and what I’m learning and like just kind of extrapolating, like what I, what I have.

So I’m actually taking a few months break so that I can just start to catch up with that and maybe even publish less often. So I can do more with what I have, because sometimes it’s not about like, doing more, it’s just doing less, but more with what you have. And I agree with that. And I love a lot of that.

What you said there, what about the problem with perfection? How do you actually push your stuff out there? Have you had any problems with that of actually releasing this stuff on social media and how do you deal with that? If you do have any problems? One thing is, for instance, some of my videos are like beautifully produced and.

They take so much time in post production. And then I see people with videos that take a 10th of the, of the, time and get a lot more views. So my philosophy I’d be like, okay, I hear mad. Or I could just take it as a learning lesson and say like, And it all comes in the conception of what, of what your, of what your plan is.

And so if that is wrong, if my, my PR like conception is to create these perfect videos that are going to have all these extra steps, I’ve just made, created problems for myself. So I got to keep it small. And which you can’t. Screw up. Okay. So this is like, for instance, I’m working on a new video, this, these batch of videos.

I’m going to do 10 videos at least in this day. And I have the setting and I have, I just have to set up the lights once and I can bang out a bunch of one it’s with, I’m doing an Ivanka oppression now. So it’s gonna like be Ivanka Ivanka giving her favorite quotes. And so, But the thing is it needs no background popped in on green screen.

It’s only 20 seconds and I will only do it in one take. Meaning, I will only do like with the take that’s best. I won’t have to cut it in between. And so that will take maybe like 20 minutes to edit. Like, so I’m, I see what I mean, I’ve like made it easier for me. Cause then if you need more steps, this is where perfectionism comes in.

It needs to be PR it needs to be this elaborate production with all of these things. And then it’s going to, you’re creating the problems. And then it’s going to get screwed up because your concept was too complex. Like this is a unique quality and quantity. Yes. But you have to think about how to create quality.

That’s easy because that’s where you’re going to get screwed up. And like, then you like, especially like when you make it more complicated, more things can get screwed up. And that’s where it comes in. Now, a lot of times when you think, and like some people I’ve worked with. Who I love dearly and do incredible work for me, but then it’s like more complicated for them and I can’t get it out of their hands.

Cause they’re like trying to adjust this and that. And so, I think part of the problem with perfection is you set yourself up to be a perfectionist. Well, I love a lot of that. I also think that, you know, content is what’s most important. So if it creating that content meeting. Getting a higher production and all that takes away from the actual message or the joke in your case, then I think you’re ruining it.

You’re kind of going backwards. And, I see this a lot in the photo video world where. And I do it myself. I have to, I always have to take myself a setback. It doesn’t always have to be this perfectly produced item just has to be interesting, you know, make somebody think or, or maybe just the background’s really cool that you’re at.

It could still be shot with a phone. You know, it doesn’t have to be with my big camera and a drone and 14 different edits. Right. so let’s talk about writing. how did you decide to do a book first and foremost? Like how did that even thought come up in your head? Well, I got a suggestion from. Alex , who’s a great mentor.

And he was like, you got to write a book. And I, cause he, he pushed me to be like, all right, so you gotta just be Lauren I’m Lauren. And I have characters, like that’s the way to do this. And so, I mean, I guess the theme throughout this is like, you got to listen to good suggestions from people who know what they’re doing, because you don’t know what you’re doing.

And like they have to like feel right for you. Cause I’ve gotten the wrong suggestions and I, they haven’t felt right. And I followed them to dead ends. So I think it’s really important to like, feel like what feels good. And it was really scary, the idea of writing a book, but it felt thrilling. And I thought about what I had and I thought people do ask me, what is it like to be Melania?

And, and I day, people also also asked me that when I was doing a Greta Garbo show and I was like, I do. Kinda know you do get these like insights into a character by being them. And so that’s what, so that’s why I started this whole inside Melania thing, because it was like, I do actually like all of the stuff that’s coming out about her.

I knew already I’m like, I guess what, I put out an article that said, Melania Trump is an asshole. I told you. So, because. I didn’t need tapes. I slipped right inside her. Yes. I didn’t intend to this. Be a dirty joke by the way, say the title of my book and just someone pointed that out on Twitter. And then I was like, now I’m going to use it.

Thank you. Thank you. But, so I started, I locked myself up in a, in a hotel room in key West. My partner was going down there and we had a hotel room and I was like, let me see if I can write a book. And I was doing some shows down there, which was super fun. So I did some shows at night and wrote during the day.

And then at the end of it, I was like, Oh, I think I might have a little book here. And I thought it would be like, like a small little book and then. And it was mostly like me telling you what I know by impersonating. Then I had some ideas for comedy pieces and people were like, those are really fun. Can you write more of those?

When I had a few people read it? And so I write more, more of them and then I teamed up with Eckhart’s press to publish it. And they were like, how about even more of them? So then I, more of them, which meant more research, more work, all of that, but it was a great experience. and so that is, that is basically how it came to be.

And I knew it was timely. I knew it was important because it was giving insight into someone that no one seems to understand. and kind of giving you a full for you through three 60 view from like everything I kind of know and have learned. Yeah. And also making you laugh. Cause there’s like a split between hysterical rants and then just humor essays.

Yeah. And then any, any tips or tricks to writing in general, whether it’s for the book or for just writing jokes, your stand up in eight, anything there right every day. Yeah. Right. Every day, create a list of tasks and do them. Don’t get hung up in research. research is important. Essential. It drives me nuts when people don’t do it.

Cause you can tell, but you need to like put the research away and just right at some point, get a community of people around you. There’s so many feedback groups on Facebook. You gotta be careful cause you want to know who you’re getting feedback from. And that can really be hard, but start to find there are better Facebook groups.

There’s one that I’m part of. And it’s really great. And if you want to be part of it, DME and I can invite you cause it’s like a private one. So, you know, there’s ones that. Are better than others and you can get really good feedback. I took a class that was helpful, because it’s deadlines and as a community and actually that the group of people in that class continue to meet.

So that’s more deadlines, more feedback from people I trust. and so it’s a matter of just like taking time every day to do it and whatever you can do. The other thing is when you’re writing a book is that you should understand it’s actually a significant part of your day. it would take me two to three hours of writing a day, at least.

And I thought this is no big deal. I could keep everything else going on in my life.

that was really hard. I was a shitty friend, a shitty partner, a shitty person, but next time I might still be a shitty human, but I will let her ever know first, like the next three months, I’m, you’re not really going to see me. I’m going to be always kind of stressed out. but I’m writing a book, so just be prepared.

I love you. I love that. You, you mentioned, some mentor, beforehand. any mentors that maybe you could just tell a little bit more story about your mentor or any mentorships that has helped you along your way? there’s so many, there’s so many wonderful people that have helped me. Well, one person that like took interest early in my career.

Well, a few people like took an interest early in my career in that really, spurred me on, one is Kate Bornstein who is just a queer idle and an idol in the queer world. And she. Was so sweet. I was her like, how was her house sitter? And she was just so, so she came to my show, she wrote a review for me.

She introduced me to people. I’m like, I can’t, I can’t just having someone like her just admire what I was doing and support me was just made a big difference. And that just makes a big, like, you really can help young people by just being interested in what they’re doing. Then another person is, Okay, so this is sorry.

So, so I had, I was like, I’m going to get on the L word. I’m a queer actor. Like I’m going to be on the L word. This was when it was the first rendition of the L word. And I looked up who casts the L word. And I saw it Pat McCorkell, and I called Pat McGrew coracle and I was like, I want to be your intern.

And she was just that day someone had quit. So they call me in and I said, I can only do this like twice or three times a week. And they were like, Okay. And they said to me, Pat never does this for a neat one. Like she does not do this. Then I like had happened to get into bus magazine and I like brought it in.

I had like a full page picture and I was like, Oh yeah, look at me. Like, one of my characters is in bust. Just like put it there. And she was like, Oh shit. And then she brought, She brought a bunch of the whole office to see my solo show and in the back of Stonewall, in like a shitty gay bar in infamous of course, the famous, the famous Stonewall bar, but it’s, you know, not Broadway, which is what Pat that’s her caliber.

And, and she came and she brought the whole office and she wrote a review for me. For it, then the thing that, like, she really two things, pieces of advice. And she was more of like, for her, it was like the support and the actions like gave me such like a lot of confidence. And do you know, she tried to introduce me to people with two people and that, and that helped, but she’s gay told me two things is one.

I didn’t know what pal Joey was. And she was like, That was like, you know, the first dah, dah, dah, dah. And she told me what it was in like a few tier sentences and then walked out and I was like, I got to know my history. I got to know you can’t be in this business and not know like, who came before you pal.

Joey was a Broadway play by the way, musical. So. The next. And so that really spurred me into like really taking seriously, like learning my history of the business and the second thing, because people aren’t gonna keep serious people. Aren’t going to take you seriously unless you take this serious. So the next thing is that I finished doing my solo play.

I went to like Stockholm, Sweden to perform and came back and I had some meetings, but nothing like. super crazy came out of the meetings, which is like life. This is how it goes, right? The meetings and meetings. And. I was like, Pat, what do I do? Like, I felt so like, you know, a boat, actually, I was not used to this experience.

That’s is like, I felt like, Oh my God, I’m a boater drift. What do I do? And she was, yeah, just keep doing it. This is, this is how it goes.

Just keep paddling. Yeah. And I’ll never, I’ll never forget that. I’ll never, I’ll never forget that. And she just, when I put on my book, she sent me an email and she just said, I’m just so proud of you and for the woman, she did discover Matt Damon. I was like, well, that’s pretty good. Yeah. Pat is nets. No joke.

Yeah. Yeah. That’s amazing. So what’s one of the craziest or most memorable things during this, during your career. most memorable, I think anytime I get on a plane for a gig it’s it’s I think like this is the life I just didn’t like, yeah, there is nothing like being a guest artist. There’s nothing like it going somewhere else and performing and having people like expecting you, waiting for you and like hoping for your show.

Like there’s nothing like that. There there’s nothing like that. And any time, I just want to do that more and more because it’s so, and it’s, and it’s, you know, it’s, it’s just so, it’s so powerful when it all works out. So what does success look like for you? Like how do you, how do you know when you’ve made it or what you want to be at, or that’s a really hard question to answer and one that I’m actually struggling with right now.

I mean, you can, in this business, You can always feel like a failure. And I guess this is Jamie in any business. Cause you can always think, well, I don’t have as much as that person, no matter what I mean, when I think back to like who I was or where I came up, grew up with, like, I am a success, like of course, because I’m working artists like that is a success in itself.

Like I’ve already beaten the odds that I’m still doing this. Like most people, like I run into people and like, again, most people quit and even the people who are serious, they run out of steam at some point. And some people just have to quit for because it’s hard financially. So they just need something more steady.

They might have kids. That’s a dream killer. Sorry. but there are people who work it out, but yeah. it’s hard. So, you know, I think success is, has to be because the other thing too, in my business is that everything is beyond my control. I can’t control it. There was a covert pandemic. I had a 23 city, 30 day tour planned for may and June.

It was going to be basically what I’m saying, like touring artists, like that was going to be like a major step towards that being it, you know, that was going to be what I was going to do. And the whole thing was canceled. For an a show that I, we will never do live. We’ve never, we had a dress rehearsal on March 14th for the show that was canceled.

We’ve never done this show live. We’ve only done it in Vail all the way through with tech, everything was canceled. So. I cannot control anything. And that’s, and this is just like, you know, world events, not to mention, like, I can’t control, like if it rains on a night and the show is packed, when a review is there, I can control if like someone doesn’t like the book, it doesn’t like me.

I can control some, like if I have lost roles because of the color of my hair, did it match the furniture? Life is completely out of my control and in what I do. And so then how do you define success? And for me, I think it just has to be like the successes, the fact that I get up to do and do this every day, because if I make it anything else, it’s just setting myself up for misery.

You know, and it’s not to say that I’m like some Buddha and I’m just like, I do it every day and I feel great. I don’t know. I feel shitty all the time. Okay. All the time. Yeah. what about any, any regrets along the way? Oh, Oh yes. Definitely. I don’t like regrets, but I would just say, and this is what I say to anyone starting, probably in anything, but I’m going to say this for show business and you can apply it to your realm of life.

Is that. Do the thing that you. Set out to do, and you have an original, let’s just say micro on a project. And also this applies to your career micro in a project. You know what, like you you’re the initial sparkler. When I started my Greta Garbo play, I was like, it was a comedy. The first reading everyone was laughing.

It was absurd. Greta Garbo was like this crazy old lady. And then I got influenced by people who had this idea that it had to be serious drama and it. People loved it still. And people tell me, don’t say that, but I feel like it shit on the project and I, and people are, you need to read it, write it as an absurd play in a of comedy.

And like, maybe that will happen. Maybe I will become the crazy old lady. And then I will, when I’m like 70, remind the play and do it age appropriately. But, but I think I lost, I didn’t. Yeah, I knew you’re the creator. You’re the boss. Everyone else is replaceable. If they don’t see if they do not align with your vision.

And they do not believe in you, especially that they don’t believe in you. They need to go, they might be talented. They might be well connected, but if they don’t get it, there’s no point. It’s just like a, it’s just like a startup. I mean, you’ve got to believe in it. You gotta believe in the product, and the service and what you’re doing.

cause it’s not easy. what about like, looking back? Okay. Going back to high score, whatever it was like any advice you would give yourself, looking back, maybe your 16 year old self. Hm. I would say to be really proud of being different. That is, it breaks my heart. When I see people who felt like I did and my friend’s son is having trouble.

Cause he’s feels like he’s different in why can’t I be like everyone else? And I’d say. Oh my God, baby. You’re not like everyone else. That’s, that’s what we all want. Now, as soon as the older you get, the more different you want to be. Yeah. Yes, totally, totally. And it’s just to be like, be really proud of being weird and different.

So let’s circle back around to the book a little bit. So how has that been going? Like with COVID I know obviously your tour would have been a big hit to, to push the book, but I also think that COVID. PR and maybe perhaps you were already, doing great yeah. On social media and pushing out all that content.

But has that helped a little bit with the, with the, with covert and pushing content or, you know, how has it been going? any, you know, there’s any trials or tribulations going on with the book release? Well, coven did is gave me time to focus a little more on online platform in like a very focused way, because there’s nothing else to do.

So that was helpful. And I felt like I learn I’ve been learning a lot cause it’s still things aren’t open. So I’m still kind of in that same position. So it’s been helpful. Like we were able to explore Tech-Talk we would have never had that time. Cause it’s a whole other thing. So. Vast been helpful in terms of expanding and understanding the, the book.

Environment of social media, a lot more in what people are doing and get followers and how it all really goes down was really, really has been really helpful in, in understanding. So that’s like a positive, I think marketing books in person is very powerful and is something this book has missed. however, doing we’ve done like online shows for bookstores that I would’ve never, there were some bookstores that said no.

And because we said, Hey, I’ll come in and I’ll do a show for you guys, an online show for free. it’s called, we’ll do the Melania Trump roadshow for you and the monitor. Ambrogio get out the vote and get me out of the white house of garbage. so we’ll do an online version of that and try to like sell some books that way.

And these bookstores said no, but then they said yes to the show because they were like scrambling to try to get some momentum. And so now I have relationships with those booksellers that I didn’t have before. I think it’s like three more stores that wouldn’t have had, and it’s really hard to get into, but I don’t know if anyone knows this.

It’s really hard to get into a bookstore. And now I personally know. A bunch of booksellers that I wouldn’t have known otherwise. So, and then they know other booksellers, so it’s just, it’s all, it’s very helpful. Like one hand washes the other with that. So, that’s, that’s an example of something positive that’s happened.

Also, I would have never had time for Amazon ads at something and go, I don’t know yet to be decided how successful that will be. We actually do not publish in Amazon, the paper book. because you can go get the [email protected] We’re going to experiment with ads and then putting it available on Amazon print.

and seeing if we get to maybe make a better profit margin. If we sell more, we’ll see that way. Yeah, definitely. I noticed the Kindle additions on Amazon and obviously, and, and on audible as well. so, but you know, those books, I always love those kind of books that are in print. I am a big Kindle reader, but I do like a book that you could just open up and read it for a minute and put it back down.

I don’t do that with the Kindle. So, so, well, I’ll read it front to back as opposed to just jump around a little bit. so was millennia Trump Oleum model? Definitely not. What do you mean I do, I do the model. I modeled my mother lingerie in many circumstance. So. You mentioned tick talk. Is there any, is there a bit that you’re working on with that with, you know, obviously that’s, Trump’s kind of battle with tick is anything working there?

I did do a video that was like, Melanie, your hair plugs look so full today. Don’t delete the doc.

It looks so even don’t get it. So I just.

I love all that stuff. so I, I guess this is my last question. I always in the podcast this way and, and you can take it any way you wish, but how would you like to be remembered? I mean, the way every comedian wants to do is that I made people laugh and feel good. Well, I love it, Lauren. It was a super pleasure to have you on establishing your empire podcast. I really appreciate your time. it’s awesome. Book inside Milania available a lot of different places. there’ll be a ton of links below and check it out.

Thank you. All right. Cheers.

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